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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2008, 05:53:52 PM »
thanks beibee...U'll end up tying urself up in knots if u think ur a ''believer'' (well dats a different topic for another day), ola...Everything God do is for a reason. If u take time and study ur Bible, You find a plan God has from the beginning. He used the DREAMS of both kings to elevate both Joseph and Daniel and ultimately Glorify himself. the ancient traditions of the egyptians and babylonians were full of signs and dreams, thats why with both cases, the bible recognised that ALL the kings (both kings) wise men and magicians could not interprete both dreams. And that was the only two times dreams was mentioned. now talking about ur 'vision', that was a scripture from Joel...a prophecy...the religious world quote it a lot but if u really wanna understand the Word, its not complicating really. Two things that will help u is to (1) Dont take scriptures outta context and (2) Like Christ said, ''if u dnt have a childlike attitude, u cant enter his kingdom...''. That prophecy from Joel has already been fulfilled in Acts of the Apostles when peter said, ''No, this is what was SPOKEN by the prophet Joel:...'' Go check it in ACTS 2:16 and compare with the original prophecy. He was addressing a jewish audience who UNDERSTOOD the prophecy from Joel. So, Ola...pls dont get too religious and miss the way...Open ur mind's eyes and U wont do urself no wrong...

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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2008, 05:58:18 PM »
We're gifted with different talents!
Some people dreams comes thru when.....
they had the dream.
And some occur negatively to what they....
dream about.

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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2008, 06:30:33 PM »


and still again, i am with chuxxy3000!

deeran: some other supernatural forces
are behind that beyond God!

what do you think?
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2008, 06:43:48 PM »
I don't concur with that!

Dream is like showing one the picture...
of what is about to happen positively.....
or negatively to him or people pictured in the dream.

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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2008, 06:45:43 PM »


i don't concur with that
but i do...to some extent!
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2008, 06:46:41 PM »
Lol.....
Beibee!!!

Share what you believe in then?

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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2008, 12:31:02 PM »


i believe what chuxxy3000 said...
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2008, 01:24:47 PM »
Unfortunately, chuxxy is mixing things up!

I have only comented on daydream and he was arguing base on nightdreams.

Did he ever believe that daydream is as powerful as nightdreams?

What is the difference between prophesy and vision chuxxy?

Did you know that the case of joseph for instance is not ordinary?

FYI, God had planned that of Joseph even before he was born.

Jacob was foretold that joseph is a special child hence the reason he treated him with utmost regard. That event was through Jacob daydreaming. The bible didn't tell us he had a dream.

When joseph was young, he had nightdream. He saw stars and moon bowing for him. He didn't know the meaning. But when he told his father, Jacob INTERPRETED it to him. Saying one the, his brothers would bow before him!

His brothers heard of it and sold him into strange land. But Jacob, in his old age, still believe joseph was not dead as reported by his brothers. He also believe, he would see joseph again before he dies!

I hope chuxxy is following?

Joseph was in a strange land and events were against him. He was eventually condemned to serve life sentence in prison.

To be contd.
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2008, 01:29:13 PM »
hmmmm....................

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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2008, 01:37:45 PM »


Jacob was foretold that joseph is a special child hence the reason he treated him with utmost regard. That event was through Jacob daydreaming. The bible didn't tell us he had a dream.___olanajim

so where did you get your information from?
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2008, 01:39:06 PM »
In the prison, all hope are gone for a man of little faith. But God wanted to teach people like chuxxy and olanajim et al what dream can do for men...

In the prison, Joseph was granted power to interprete dreams. He could not interprete dreams before then. That was why he needed his father to interpret his own dreams and, that was why he didn't know how to get out of trouble that landed him in prison.

But God planned to make him the king. And wanted his brothers to bow for him.

To do that, God made the king had nightdreams that are puzzling. The magicians couldn't interprete it because God wanted to pave the way for joseph freedom.. They have done it successfully in the past...

As for joseph, he did something that belittled his faith while in prison. He told the servant with good dream to remember him when he found favour in Pharaoh's eyes. Meaning, he is seeking easy way out.

To make him learn, God made the servant "forget" and joseph spent more time in prison.

When God is "ready", the pharaoh's dream came to fore and the servant "remembered".

Joseph eventually became the next to pharaoh..

But the dream didn't come to pass just like that. It took years. Even joseph had forgotten about "home" before it happened.

When famine becknoned as interpreted by joseph, his brothers were driven to Egypt in search of food. But the man they have to buy seeds from was their forgotten brother. AND THEN, THEY BOWED NOT KNOWING WHO HE WAS. And the dream came to pass..
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2008, 01:44:21 PM »
Hmmmm......
Don't misinterpret sha!

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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2008, 01:52:15 PM »


Joseph eventually became the next to pharaoh..___olanajim

he's misinterpreting already!


Jacob was foretold that joseph is a special child hence the reason he treated him with utmost regard. That event was through Jacob daydreaming. The bible didn't tell us he had a dream.___olanajim

so where did you get your information from?
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2008, 01:57:08 PM »
Mr chuxxy,
before I clarify myself of this.

Let me explain my understanding of nightdreams.

Nightdreams occured when your conscious mind is totally gone to coma.

You sleep, not knowing what is happening to you. You however find that you are in strange world...

Your Subconscious mind is at work!

Origin and Nature of Nightdreams.
1. Experience. Your present and past experiences might be replayed by your subconscious mind while asleep. It may be accurate or distorted. Such dreams are very common. They also include what go on in your imaginations while you are awake.

For instance, you fear drowning in well, and your SM helped you to bring it alive. I classified such dreams as figment of your imagination! Of course they can still come to pass. How? Later!

2. Divinely inspired dreams. These dreams are motivated by God. Often, they are strange experience that are beyond us. Most time, they come in parables. And when they come so real, then, they carry strong messages. Not everybody is endowed to experience this dream. But, you needn't be religious either to be gifted with this. This why some prophets can make accurate prophesies and still commit evils. This why we have many tricky prophets around. Unfortunately, many christains call anyone gifted with vision, "prophet".

3. Occultic Manipulation. Just as dreams can come from God, it can also originates from the occultic world. The occultic power works best at night and they have power to communicate with their targets through dreams. In most cases, they either frighten you or send you powerful messages which may or may not be real..

That is Nightdream, pastor chuxxy3000!
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2008, 02:05:50 PM »
Beibee,
read yourself again!

Did bible said joseph was pharaoh? You guys are amasing!

The bible said he was second to pharaoh. I have never read it anywhere that joseph became pharaoh. Please contact your pastor!

As for your question on where I got the info that jacob know about joseph future. It is to me interesting to note that anybody in christaindom would dispute that.

FYI, i spent a large part of my early life on bible and quran. I have got my info from both! The quran is not always explicit about stories. But what have hadiths that explain details.

Since, I am not a clergyman, I would rather direct you to your pastor for explanation.

I stand by my words!
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2008, 02:15:44 PM »


sorry...i read "next" pharaoh
i didn't see "next to" pharaoh...
my apologies.


That event was through Jacob daydreaming.
The bible didn't tell us he had a dream.___olanajim

so where did you get your information from?
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2008, 02:21:43 PM »
"Next" pharaoh, and the bible never documented it. Can that be possible?

Why not read about how joseph dead. Perhaps you can get it better.

As for the jacob experience, I don't think you would ever understand, since you don't believe in God!
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2008, 02:30:43 PM »


how jaundiced you are...

simple thing: That event was through Jacob daydreaming.
The bible didn't tell us he had a dream.___olanajim

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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2008, 04:18:41 PM »
Read my posts again!

What is daydreaming? I am sure you are limiting the meaning to fantasy. Ever wonder why I went that length to define and explain daydreaming?

Please take a fresh look at it.
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2008, 05:33:21 PM »


The bible didn't tell us he had a dream.___olanajim


so where did you get your information from?
i am quoting you, my friend...
answer me before i lose my patience!
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« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2008, 05:41:53 PM »
You may lose your patience. Didn't you read that I draw my inspiration from both Bible and quran? Muslims don't rely on bible alone for facts!
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« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2008, 05:48:54 PM »


you're implying that
you got the dream from
the koran...innit?
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Re: CAN DREAMS FORETELL THE FUTURE?
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2008, 06:06:44 PM »
You are going off topic! I was told to say what I know about dreams not about Jacob and Joseph! That is a seperate topic.
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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2008, 06:33:46 PM »


you always have your way!

didn't you start it?
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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2008, 06:34:22 PM »
ola, ur knowlegde is vast, i admit but u dnt know God...ur a muslim...? This is my last reply for u here...pls dont misinterprete the Bible...u dnt know what ur messing with...dats why men die, they dnt know God...All ur scripture quoting is flawed. when did Jacob interprete joseph's dreams? where? I posted earlier that u do really need to have an open mind and a childlike attitude 2 relate with the scriptures but i was wrong about u...u know every! knowlegde puffs up, man...
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