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Believe, Faith and Trust
« on: May 28, 2008, 04:46:38 PM »
please share with us your understanding of believe, faith and trust
is there any difference and if there is state the difference

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Believe, Faith and Trust
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 06:59:30 AM »
In what context? Religion or genera context?
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2008, 09:52:01 AM »
hello olanajim it could be in either context just want to know your views
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2008, 01:10:08 PM »
Let me see...
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2008, 03:50:09 PM »
am still waiting............
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2008, 05:06:54 PM »
Still coming!
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2008, 05:09:54 PM »
ok, hope i will not have to wait forever
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2008, 10:54:46 PM »
You know why, I hesistated to post? Because you can turn the thread either way. You can either discuss the issue from spiritual angle or from romantic angle. Both of them would lead to difference destination. The former is holistic. Thd later is romantic. Since you posted this on religion, I would suggest we follow religion. Tonib, let pick them one by one. Trust is a confidence you have in someone. Belief is the strong feeling that something exists or is true. Faith is an unquestionable ? trust in something or someone. With these words, the foundation of any Religion is moulded. One thing I know is that, THEY ARE ALL A STATE OF MIND. They can be alter according to the prevailing circumstance.
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2008, 09:19:24 AM »
thanks so much ola, but how are they interrelated?
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2008, 10:11:42 AM »
Let me use an illustration:

you have a hen that had just laid 15 eggs. You desperately need to multiply your stock and want all the eggs to hatch. Then, to achieve your goal, you put all the eggs in one basket and started counting your chicks even before they are hatched.

That is how best I can illustrate interelation among the three, BELIEVE, FAITH, AND TRUST!
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2008, 10:51:30 AM »
Thanks so much ola, i think i get you now. I raised it cos a lot pple use the three interchangably so i  begin to wonder what the differences are.
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2008, 11:08:00 AM »
There are differences. You trust someone or something you have seen or felt. You believes someone or something after you have been convinced beyond reason. But faith is acceptance and expectation of thing you have neither seen or felt. It takes alot of effort to have faith.

To trust is for those you love. We hardly trust people we don't like or love.

To believe is for those who hold superior arguments to yours. It is also for those who our heart hold dear. We hardly believe anything that does not appeal to us!

But to have faith? We need only our knowledge and our will power. We max not have seen any sign of our expectation, but faith overides our doubts and put us on the path of fulfilment. Men of faith look at the unseen, the invisibles, whether they like it or not, whether they feel it or not. They remain faithful.

Men of faith are rare!

Faith, real faith is like putting all your eggs in one basket and then start counting your chick before they are hatched.

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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2008, 11:14:56 AM »
hmm thanks for that illustration it makes the whole thing easier
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2008, 12:31:27 PM »
Well, it is easy in words not in deed.

We hear people talk so much of their faith, beliefs and trusts, but when we look at their deeds, we cringe at the sight of hypocrisis that are made manifest. It would be fait to pick them one by one.

To begin with TRUST.

If you trust someone, you can sleep with two eyes open. Trust is the lowest of the three. To trust does not necesarily mean to believe or have faith in.

To illustrate. If I TRUST my girlfriend, I can give her my spare keys, let her sleep with me. I can also leave her in company of another man without having to fear she would sleep with the man. That is trust. But, I may not give her passwords to my emails or disclose my true financial worth. I still trust, but not believe in her.

In the parable of EGGS above, TRUST is manifested in the confidence I have in the basket. That TRUST ends there. I may still fear that I may lose my eggs if I put everything in the basket. That is TRUST without BELIEF. So to say, with TRUST, i may just decide not to put all my eggs in one basket if I don't have confidence ( BELIEF) in the basket.

In religion, many people merely trust God, they don't BELIEVE or have FAITH in Him. How? Going to church, mosque or shrine regularly is nothing but an indication of your trust in God. If you read and preaches Holy books, it is not enough to determine your Believe or trust.

That is trust!
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2008, 12:36:36 PM »
hmmmmmmmmmm am all ears
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 12:47:53 PM »
Or all eyes?
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 12:56:17 PM »
all join
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 12:58:48 PM »
Well then, DO YOUR TRUST ME?
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2008, 01:02:05 PM »
hmmmmmmmmmm am all ears

please this hmmmmm game will not help oo!
or do u relate to Deeran, with all due respect pls,.
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2008, 01:16:08 PM »
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Well then, DO YOUR TRUST ME?


Well you know i dont know you well, but from what you 've written so far, i think there  is  a level of trust that i can giv.

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please this hmmmmm game will not help oo!
or do u relate to Deeran, with all due respect pls,.


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm to answer ur question, sure we are related has he not told you? he is my younger brother ;D don't let him hear o cos he doesnt want pple to know

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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2008, 01:25:26 PM »
BELIEVE!!

That is next in rank. A graduation from TRUST. That is your secondary level of mental conviction. Beliefs can be sway by your knowledge of the reality. By what you sees, hears and knows. Belief is a state of mind.

Using my earlier analogy. In the parable of EGGS and basket; when you properly inspect the baskek and take all precautions that enables you to put the EGGS in one basket; when you lagged the basket and then proceeded to carry it carefully. You are demostrating your BELIEF. Beliefs need some tangible actions before they can be effective. It differs from trust greatly.

In the church preacher analogy. If after you jot down the teaching you have heard in the church you went home and do nothing with them, then you do not belief anything. You merely trust God. A pastor who preaches unity but is embroiled in leadership tussle with his colleague merely TRUST the words of God. He does not believes no matter how much miracles he perform.

When a leper came to Jesus and asked to be healed. Jesus asked him to BELIEVE! Then he believed. And afterward, he was told that if indeed he believed, he should go bath in a particular water! And he did. Then he was healed!

Our preoccupation with miracles and search for solutions to our problems did not allow us to go beyond TRUST in our dealing with God. That is why there are so much corruption in the land where churches sprout on every street daily.

Most of us that moved from TRUST to BELIEF are tagged pious, righteous and godly. But how many of us have faith?

Most of the pastors, Alfas, Babalawos just BELIEVE but never have faith.
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 01:35:52 PM »
hmmmm
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 01:56:06 PM »
Since you do not trust me enough, I BELIEVE, we should work on our BELIEF and leave FAITH out!

You lies tonib!
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 03:54:43 PM »
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You lies tonib!
why?
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Re: Believe, Faith and Trust
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 04:48:10 PM »
You can not trust people to an extent. Trust has no half measure. You can however refused to believe them.

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