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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #575 on: June 26, 2012, 02:45:48 PM »
Omojie, the tone of your recent articles in the last 6 months is becoming conciliatory.  In the past, you traced everything IKA to Benin, while any thing associated with igbo was a footnote.  The rebuttals by various NBF and NAIRA LAND   contributors has softened your tone.  This days your write up is that some IKA come from across the Niger, while others come from Benin.

 There is nothing you say about Ikas that is new.  We all know that IKA Land is at the cross road were the East meets the West and definitely the center (IKA) will borrow from both cultures.  I sometimes wonder if you have friends who are Igbo at all.

1.  I challenge you to tell me if IKA  and the whole ANIOMA Land was empty 1,000 years ago 2.  If it was inhabited, who were the aborigines? 3.  What language will have been spoken then? (please don't bore me with your Agbor stories of Agbor existing 4,000 years ago.  the evidence is very weak) 4.  Why do Benin People call people after Abudu hill, OVI IGBO.  (Perhaps they know what you don't know)



 

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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #576 on: June 28, 2012, 01:27:50 PM »
ogbuefi  or whatever you call your self you do  not have monopoly of using dirty and uncout language , and like i said you come from a bush called igbodo , and you are just a cheap  igbo propagandist that turns fact upside down , just to satisfy your fellow igbo propagandist , i know that propaganda is what most igbos know how best to do , no wonder during the civil war , your people always carried stories of how they have destroyed nigeria ,and at the end you lost,why are you not tired of pushing ika people with this your fallacy of ika people being igbo , when ika people in their majority avoid being called igbo like a plague, in the whole of delta north area , biafra did not get support from vast majority of ika people, infact biafra failed in ika land , with the exception of your people the igbodo people , which we know have been invaded by igbo migrants because of the closeness of that town to igbo cultural area , and that was why the nigeria soldiers destroyed igbodo and that is why mr ogbuefi has hatred for benins and others till date , and if you are not careful a repeat will also happen,as ika people have rejected being igbo longtime ago.   
2.     in ika north east local govt in which the headquarters is in owa-oyibu ,your town igbodo is the smallest town there ,so i dont know how you want to compare owa kingdom with your insignificant kingdom called igbodo , and why do you lie s  much or is that a quality  the igbos are known for , you said owa has no  road up till year 2000, you make me laugh when owa kingdom along with agbor ,followed by umunede are the most developed part of ikaland , infact bojboji owa/agbor is the most developed part of ika land and one of the key towns in old bendel /delta state ,as it is a place where the elites live and has lots of banks and other modern facilities .     bojiboji-owa belongs to owa kingdom , it is  one of the towns that make up  owa kingdom controlled by the obi of owa.   
3.     because of the development in bojiboji , all ika people of repute live there including many rich people from your community igbodo , examples are former speaker / acting governor of delta  prince sam obi from ute-okpu kingdom ,nwokoro  the member representing ika in house of reps.    Abuja  who is from your kingdom ,igbodo  and a host of other ikas live in bojiboji owa , so i dont know why you keep lieing and i  am  very such if you have money you will be dreaming of having a house in bojiboji owa , a  place where lands go for millions of naira , or how much is land in igbodo , is it up to N150,000  ?
4.     IN  ika north east local govt.     igbodo has only one councillor while owa kingdom has 8 concillors so what is the comparison ?
5.     talking about monarchy your king the obi  of igbodo is one of the least recognised kings in delta state and in ika land , but i know you as a bloody liar who  will always make up ficticious things to make your king look relevant , please tell  us the achievements of the past and present obis of igbodo and their level of recognition ?  owa kings are miles apart from  a less known monarch from a less significant kingdom as yours , let me real out some achievements of our obis in owa , no wonder the obi of agbor changed his title to dein as he said that every dick and harry is now obi.   
6.       we have it on record the in 1913  the only obis in ika land that the british sent to benin to study the local govt.    administration  were the obi of agbor  gbenoba  and the father of our present obi  hezekiah oboh  efeizomor the first,they spent 6 months in benin.    we also have it on record that in 1920 when the british started paying the obis of ika land only these kings were the first they started paying - the obis of agbor,owa, abavo,akumazi and umunede, they did not include the obi of igbodo ,because as at that time these were the significant and recognised kings in ikaland.    we also have it on record that owa kingdom in 1906 single handedly fought against the british led by our king- ogbeihaga aigbodin igbeoba the war lasted for 55 days before owa kingdom was defeated and our obi was taken to warri where he died in exile ,in that battle  captain crewe reade the assistant district officer for benin division was killed in owanta by an owa general ologboshere tete okunbor  osagie,the britsh suffered lots of deaths and casualties , they had to call for reinforcement to be able to defeat owa kingdom.    this is different from the ekumeku war fought by many anioma towns .    this incident brought owa kingdom to great lime light as a kingdom that single handedly waged war against  the guns and canons of the british govt.    infact for the effontry of owa to challenge them they ordered that every thing both living and non-living must be destroyed in owa , but we thank  OSelobue and our ancestors that their wish did not materialise ,but this depopulated owa as our people ran to benin and other anioma and ika towns to take refuge ,and after  owa was subjected to agbor, untill we rose again.   
7.      we  also have it on record the our former obi of owa , obi steven ikokoh obaigbena   who was the first owa obi to become a christian and to get education ,as he established the first anglical church in owa in 1920 ,this was later to bring success to owa as the prilate of the anglican church in nigeria is ach bishop dikenriehi orogodo okoh  and owa indigene  from owa-alero , and obi obaigbena was the first prison contractor in the whole of delta /benin area.   
8.     our present obi , DR ,emmanuel  efeizomor the second is the first ika king to aquire a PHD, and since he was crowned in 1959, all the governments right from western region,bendel and delta state and the federal govt .    have recognised him,let me just give some of his achievements-----------
1.     he was member of the western regional house of chiefs 1960-1963
 2.     member mid-west region leaders of thought during the civil war in 1967.   
 3.     member bendel state traditional council - 1970-1991
 4.    director nigeria cocoa board in 1979
  5.    Managing director toprest nigeria ltd.   
   6.    member governing council nigeria institute of journalism benin city 1988-1990
  7.    member delta state traditional council , representative on WAEC state commitee.    1996-2004
  8.    chairman ika and Asaba divisional income tax review tribunal 1961,chairman panel on ways to increase government tax collection in ika .   
  9.     chairman ika divitional education board 1973-1975
  10.     chairman bendel state  ,national freedom from hunger campaign  1974-1976
  11.     chairman state advisory committee on education for citizenship 1977
  12.     chairman land use allocation advisory committe in ika local govt.   
  13.     chairman police community relations committee for ika, ndokwa,aniocha and oshimili.   
  14.     chairman ika MAMSER  implementation committee 1987-1992
  15.    chairman committee on land dispute in gbariagolor in 1997  and vice chairman presidential panel on warri crisis  2003.   
  16.    fellow institute of farmers of nigeria- 1994
17.     merit award for ethics by ministry of education delta state in 2004
18.     obi efeizomor was also listed in africa year book who is who in 1977 , he along with the obi of agbor are the only two obis in ika ever listed in this book .   
19.    he was also confered with a national honour by former president Musa yardua  with officer of the order of the niger (OON)
20.     He was also chairman delta state traditional council for 5 years .   
    i can go on and on , so mr ogbuefi tell us the achievements of the obi of igbodo and lets compare it with that of the obi of owa kingdom .   

8.     why do you have to lie , one thing i  have found out about most igbo people on this net is their ability to lie and twist stories and events and mr ogbuefi is the leader of liars , if the obi of owa was so keen on igbo identity why was he a key instrument to the failure of biafra in ika land as he saved many northerners and non-owa persons that biafra wanted to kill in owa forest and he housed and fed the nigerian army and general muritala in owa , he even took him to places of power to reinforce him spiritually and he also confired the title ojeba of owa on him ,this earned our obi  a death sentence as biafra soldiers  issued a warrant to capture him dead or alive , but thanks to our ancestors it did not work .    obi efeizomor working in concert with the obi of agbor, abavo,umunede and other kings in ika were able to push the retreating biafran soldiers off ika land , with the exception of ogbuefis igbodo kingdom  that actively supported biafra and so they suffered greatly ,so it has been long that this small enclave has been trying to propagate igboism in ika land ,but it always meets a brich wall as the powerful ika kingdoms always reject that theory.   
9.     readers who are interested in owa history should by the book ndiowa and her monarch from the owa royal palace in oyibu or order it from www.    ndiowa.    com  to have glimpse of owa culture and not a ffrostrated igbo propagandist on the net.    our culture is alive and dynamic as it incorporates the best of benin  and igbo cultures .    to form a distinct ethnic nationality called ika.   
10.     in your write ups you are so full of hatred ,you preach hate against benin and even owa kingdom, you tried to smear mud on senator okowa, who is from owa kingdom like i  said if you claim to be an ika man you should be proud of okowa ,because he helped broke a jinx of ika people not going to the senate  for 45 years , that is the quality of an owa man ,and senator okowa is the greatest grassroots politician in delta state, very popular , a man who was commissioner under ibori for 8 years , later contested for governor and came second to governor emmanuel uduaghan and later became the secretary delta state govt.     ,in the PDP  primaries which was cancelled twice he also won twice and even won at the election tribunal ,so if you claim to be a lawyer ,you should learn to respect the courts.   
11.      owa is great in ika land because we always shatter records  such we produced the first lawyer in ika  called   barrister ohen, we produced the first army general of ika origin- general usiade, we have the first ika minister in person of chief edward anuku, we gave ika her first deputy governor of delta state in person of sam ebonka, primate okoh of owa became the first ika and non-yoruba to become primate of anglican church in nigeria, we gave ika her first miss nigeria in rita anuku, okowa became first ika to be secretary to govt.     and broke the ika senate jinx.     nduka obaigbena became first ika man to own a national newspaper.    our obi also became frirst ika king to hold a PHD.    , Ugbaja  also became first ika man to become a Deputy inspector general , we also produced the first principal of ika origin in mrs ojeh   and  many other first which i will write in subsequent articles .   
 As  for whatever you write it will not stop me or other great ika people from pushing our ika ethnic ideology , as the first ika ethnic leader was DR,george orewa ,when it died it was given to chief fortune ebie from agbor and now the baton has been handed over to sunday osifo .    we are not interested in converting ourselfs to igbos because we want to become a majority , we are happy being ika , i have also passed it on to my children just like my father told me i  am ika, and let me warn any person who thinks he can rain insult on my person that i will hence forth reciprocate,
     the unrepentant  ika man from ika ethnic nationality.   


Post Merge: June 29, 2012, 05:20:04 PM
please  am  still  waiting for  you to  tell  me  the achievements of the obi of igbodo and lets compare if it is even close to that of obi  of owa , because there is no propaganda you can not reel out , very soon you will tell us that the obi of igbodo is greater than dein of agbor and oba of benin.   

Post Merge: June 29, 2012, 06:37:35 PM
  HOW  DID  OWA  PEOPLE GET TO EDO STATE ,AND WHY WERE THEY WELCOMED.  ?
1.    between  benin  and  ika , there is  migration from edo areas to  ika and there is also  migration from ika into benin areas too.   infact many benins trace  their origin to ika as many ikas also trace their origin to benin, so also many ika also trace their history to  igbo land and other places .  . 
2.    there are many ika towns in  orhiowwon  and uhumwundee local govts in edo state as we have towns such as
1.   igbanke - actually the conglomerate called igbanke is made up of six towns with their different kings called enogie ( omolua, ake, oligie, ota,igbontor and another town)
2.    igbogiri  -this town was established by abavo people and later many owa migrants settled there
3.   ute-oheze
4.   owa iru iguaza
5.   owa ruzor idu
6.   owa nikeke
  these three towns were founded by owa migrants . 
7.   obazagbon nugu has a large owa population /other ikas ,along with benin people
8.    ogba  has a  large ika migrant groups plus benin people. 
   and other towns not mentioned . 
   OWA- IRU   in EDO
  The  people that founded owa -alizomor in  delta  were said to have migrated at about the 11th century  from iguaza in abudu  in edo state due to  chieftancy disputes  and they settle in that location .   then  around  the 12th century  edogun/odogun and his brother  ozomor  came from ute-okpu  kingdom   and imposed his leadership on them ,so some of them were already disgruntled and later  on they  had a land dispute with owa-alero  ,so many of them decided to go back to their land of migration which is iguaza in edo state.   
2.    owa-alizomor in delta state is made up of 5 villages ,out of which four bears the names of  ozomors children - 1.   idumu-illeme, 2.   idumu-ogbe, 3- idumu -ose  and  4.  - idumu-ozah,while the original  settlers from iguaza whose village is still called iru  . 
3.   there is also another version of the story and i also personally interviewed one of our relatives in owa-iru-iguaza , who is presently the oldest person there, she is several years over hundred ,her name is igun  agbontaen ,this is what she said , that many hundreds of years ago there was a man called egbede , he was from iguaza ,but due to dispute he migrated to owa kingdom in delta state , but after many years he married an  owa woman and gave birth to two children ,who also gave birth to  many children , and as a wealthy farmer he had many servants and slaves , so eventually  a chieftancy dispute arose and he along with his children and servants decided to leave and go back to their original   land which is called iguaza , but tradition has it that one of his son remained in owa.   so when egbede got to his land with his followers they were welcomed by iguaza people and given land ,but any time the people that came with egbede are pregnant ,they will have miscarriage , so they asked from the oracle and it said -the owa returnes were eating a forbiden food ,so inorder to  reslove this the people of iguaza now gave vast lands to the returnes from owa and they called the place iru -iguaza in honour of their home in owa ,and ever since the people perform their festivals together and they have lived in peace , like my grand relative told me -the second wave of migration from owa into iru- iguaza was during the british bombardment of owa in 1906 , many owa people ran towards their relatives and brothers in iguaza . 
while the last migration was in 1920 when obi  steven ikokoh obaigbena died and a strong chieftancy dispute arose in owa and a regeant called  okoh obakpolor  ruled owa ,but he was popularly called okobi ,so many owa people still migrated into iru-iguaza
2.   OWA - EKEI was founded by ugbasogun a warrior in the 1oth century ,he came from  benin  , and settled in owa , so after another dispute arose many of these people went back to found the town called owa-nikeke in  abudu area of edo state ,up till today one of the villages in owa-ekei  in delta  is called ikeke,also other owa people from ofien and other benin people came too. 
3.    owa ruzor idu  -arose also from disputes, the british owa war and also as a result of the fact that ika people were also hungry to get bigger farmland . 
   but in all  of these this owa people were able to easily migrate and get this vast areas because of the brotherly relationship  that existed between  the ika and the binis in ancient times and they believe of the past obas that ika are their relatives .  and ethnicity was not an  iron clad thing like it is now , it was more  fluid and it was not neccessarily based on language but more on migratory history and culture. 

   

Post Merge: June 29, 2012, 06:43:35 PM
Origins of Owa Towns and Villages

1.  Owa-Oyibu

About the 12th century, Prince Odogwu, whose immediate younger brother had been enthroned at Ute-Okpu, migrated from the royal family of Ute-Okpu with his loyalists and settled at Owa-Oyibu.  Here they met some settlers who had migrated earlier on from Benin, and who accepted the authority of Odogwu, the great warrior.  Subsequently, some other settlers from Idumusama and Idumugbo joined Odogwu, whilst others from Okpe and Ekwueze in Abavo followed suite.  Today Owa-Oyibu is made up of villages and quarters representing these different migratory waves such as Obisi, made up of Idah, Ikokogbe, Ogbeonicha, Idumuzomor, Idumuzugbo, Ogbeohun, New Ogbeobi, Idumugbo, Idumusumah, and Ime-Oyibu.

2.  Owa-Alizomor

Odogwu’s brother, Ozomor, who also migrated from the royal family at Ute-Okpu, settled at Owa-Alizomor which was named after him.  Before this time, Iru people had migrated from Igwaza, near Abudu in Orhionmwon Local Government Area of Edo State.  But later, most of these settlers went back to Igwaza when they had a land dispute with Owa-Alero and lost.  However, the few that were left behind joined Owa-Alizomor.  Today, Owa-Alizomor is made up of Iru quarters, Idumuogbe, Idumuose, Idumuigbo, Idumuozah and Ileme.

3.  Owa-Ofie

At about 8th century A. D.  a group of people led by Adagba migrated from Ekhoha near Okada in Ovia North East Local Government Area of Edo State, and settled at the present place called Owa-Ofie.  As the oldest community in Owa Kingdom, it is usually referred to as “Ofie akan, ali ken mgbakala jen igwere” which means “most ancient Ofie community whose ancestors built the likes of the tower of Babel”.  However, by subterfuge, Odogwu succeeded in bringing them under his control.  This was considered humiliating and unacceptable to some of the inhabitants who relocated to other places.  Today, Owa-Ofie is made up of Agidi, Idumugbo, Idumuwaya, Ogbeohun comprising Idumuekobi and Idumuogbendu, as well as Ime-Ofie comprising Idumuobia, Idumuozala, Idumutupu and Idumuodagwe.

4.  Owa-Ekei

At about 10th century A. D.  a group of people migrated from Benin City and with their leader, Ugbasogun settled at the present place called Owa-Ekei and became a powerful community.  When Ugbasogun and his people were defeated by a more powerful Odogwu, the great warrior, most of the inhabitants deserted the town and settled in Owa Nikeke, near Abudu in Orhionmwon Local Government Area of Edo State.  Today, Owa-Ekei is made up of Ikeke, Amuda, Idumuebor and Ogbeohun.

5.  Owa-Alero

A group of people migrated from Ute-Ogbeje and settled at Aliegwe while others migrated from Agbor and settled in Idumuebor.  Another group migrated from Otolokpo and settled at Alugba, while those who migrated from Ute-Owere (Aliedukun) in Ute-Okpu settled at Alioye.  There were also small family groups who migrated from other places such as Utagba from Ndokwa West Local Government Area of Delta State, as well as Ishan from Uromi in Edo State who also joined the settlers in Owa-Alero.  Today, Owa-Alero is made up of four quarters: Alegwe, (sub-quarters: Alegwe-Ukwu, Aligbeje and Amika) Idumuebor, (sub-quarters: Idumusoh and Idumugbala) Alugba, (sub-quarters: Alifor and Idumuogbe) Alioye, (sub-quarters: Idumuhia, Idumuozoge and Idumuogbeukwu)

6.  Owa-Nta

It is made up of Okwue, Aliosimi, and Aliedie.  Okwue people who migrated from Ute-Ogbeje were the first settlers at Owa-Nta.  Later, they were oined by Osimi and Edie, who migrated from Okpe in Abavo and Idumuezeajan in Ute-Okpe respectively.  These three groups have been living together as a single community called Owa-Nta Idumuetor.

7.  Owa-Alidinma

A group of people led by Isibor and Izoghor migrated from Owa-Oyibu and settled at Owa-Alidinma mainly for farming.  After sometime, they were joined by other people from different towns and villages around the area.  Today, Owa-Alidinma is made up of Ogbeobi, Ebuenor and Idumuzugbo.

8.  Boji-Boji Owa

This is the extended portion of Owa-Nta and it is inhabited by Ndi-Owa from other towns and villages as well as stranger elements off different origins.  The army barracks and other establishments that came into being immediately after the Crewe Reed war attracted many people: soldiers, their wives, children, relations, and especially traders to this settlement.  As a result of this, the new urban township experienced a rapid population increase.  Some of the early non-indigenous settlers include Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, Edo, and other Deltans.  Today, Boji-Boji Owa has the largest population in Owa Kingdom.

 
PLEASE NOTE  THAT THIS IS NOT MY WRITE UP , I TOOK IT FROM www. ndiowa. com  -THE OFFICIAL WEB SITE OF OWA KINGDOM

 
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #577 on: July 03, 2012, 08:40:32 AM »
The fact still remains that Deltans have some form of Igbo in their origin.
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #578 on: July 05, 2012, 07:38:36 PM »
that is true there is lots of igbo and other non-igbo  blood in ika people and most deltans , our culture is actually mixed that is why i  dont like people who falsify information and try to prove that only igbo lies in the blood of ika people .  even some uhrobho towns trace some of their history and migration to igboland, while some isoko towns like olomoro trace some of their history too to igbo , and itsekiris trace theirs to yoruba and edo , so  too are most ika kingdoms -we also trace some of our history to igbo and to edo and this has given us a unique identity of being our own tribe.  in owa kingdom we have many towns and villages which trace their origin to different places  like igboland, bini, ishan, some ika towns, ndokwa and and sabongida ora. but we do accept that those who first founded or settled in our towns and villages were mostly bini and ishan people ,then followed by others.

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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #579 on: July 09, 2012, 01:48:23 PM »
@Solomon-Omojie Mgbejume Agbontaen .   .   .   .   .   lol , roaring like a lion !  Of course it was when I noted that I will not continue with this thread and you have gone  beserk .    In fact you have proven several times to be a coward .     I will keep to my promise but be assured that I have the appropriate  package to dismiss that rubbish you have posted including resources  from the same  Ndiowa.   com.    Your emotional outburst will not win you credibility.   

@Ogwezzilarry.   .   .   .   Nwennem malu mbene .   .   .   .   .   Thank you for the points you have raised on Ogume .    I have noted them down .    Ogume people have always been very close to me and somehow I consider Ogume as my in-laws .    A distant relative of mine is married to an Ogume man .    I also schooled with a close friend from Ogume incidentally from Ogbagu .    I came to learn much from him like the Nduku festival and the Atilogwu dancers .    I will take time to confirm the points you have raised .    Daru.   

@all.   .   .   .   Let me take time to correct a little mistake I made in my exposition of the Ndokwa clans.    Ozuem founded Aviara while Ebeneze founded Ase .    It is not the other way round .   
 
For those who are interested,  read from these links( below) and make your conclusions , everyone will observe  that Omojie is at the fringe of the mainstream Owa society and as such his opinion should not be taken seriously .   I will never be tempted to get myself with this thread again and definitely not be involved with someone who scrambles with words and challenges the traditional authority of his community which he claims to be proud of . 

hxxp: ndi-owa.   com/index.   php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16:the-histories-of-owa-kingdom&catid=4:owa&Itemid=44

hxxp: ndi-owa.   com/index.   php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19:dialet&catid=4:owa&Itemid=18

 
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #580 on: July 10, 2012, 05:59:30 PM »
what communal authority am  i  challenging , let every wise reader log in to www.  ndiowa.  com and see for themselves that owa has both edo and igbo migrational culture , or was i  the one that named our obi  efeizomor ,or is that not a benin name or did i  name his father oboh another edo name or did i  name his grand father as obaigbena or did i  name his great grand father  okundaiye ,this are all bini names , so quit telling lies , our kingdom cannever be subjected to lies by an  igbo propagandist like your self , and owa kingdom existed before odogun came from ute-okpu to become the first obi of owa. 
2.   in owa we have different towns and villages that have their seperate history and owa-alero which is a major part of owa kingdom have just published a book on owa -alero history and they said the earliest founders were princes from agbor kingdom and that is why till today ,some part of owa alero play some roles in the coronation of agbor monarchs ,and later others came from ndokwa, ishan ,and other ika areas , you can  check on ika world.  com  to see a preview of the book ,or go to owa-alero town hall and purchase it. 
  3.    if you are still in doubt about owa history ,go to the owa royal palace at oyibu and purchase ndiowa and her monarchs -that is the book published by owa people about their history .  but i know you like quoting wikipaedia or one of our obis books especially the one he said owa has nri migration ,but you have also refused to read the page he said owa also has bini migrations, and you have refused to also read the page he said biafra declared him wanted dead or alive , because he was supporting nigeria army and he saved many hausas and other non-owa people. 
4.    are you not sad that our obi is at the fore front of ika nation as he is not a member of any igbo ethnic organisation and he is not at the forefront of it as he is one of the most respected kings in delta and even in nigeria .  if he had been pursuing any igbo agenda -then people like you will keep on quoting him, but guess what it is the respected monarch of asaba and other areas that are at the fore front of igbo agenda in anioma. 
5.  the  next ogua ika for the ika nation will take place in abavo , so i urge you to come there as those that attend believe in the ika nation being a seperate ethnic group. 
6.   if your arguement of ika people speaking igbo is your main basis for saying ika is igbo that has long been defeated as  isoko and uhrobho have similar language but they are seperate ethnic entities, while bini and ishan speak a close language but they are seperate ethnic groups and itsekiri speak a variant of yoruba mixed with bini and purtuguese but they are different from yorubas.  so also ika is different from igbo. 
7.    i  have told you that i am a descendant of an owa king who ruled owa in the 13th century and my family is one of the core founders of owa kingdom , so i  know family history and i am also a state holder in owa kingdom and my family has also held severally the royal title of ihama of owa and other hereditory titles so i should know a little about owa and what is your fuzz , if i write about owa or are you also an  owa indigene?
8.   if i were you i will learn from the civil war experience when the vast majority of ika did not support biafra or did i also caused it ? i believe that your part of ika land igbodo which have been invaded by many igbo migrants opted for biafra and you know what happened ?
9.   my write ups are there for you to read , ika is a mix between the edo and the igbo and this has created a new ethnicity called ika and this identity has been protected since ancient times and we will not loose it. 

Post Merge: July 24, 2012, 12:18:27 PM
let me answer the question as some igbos always say that benin people refer to ika people as ovbi igbo, the bini people have never called ika people igbo , they call us eka , i have many benin friends and they always call us or me eka and they believe eka and benin are brothers, and if you check many benin website you will see where they said ika migrated from benin, and the bini know those they call igbo.
2.  the great benin historian jacob egharevba  wrote in 1930 that eka migrated from benin ,before the other migrants such as igbo people came to eka land.
3.  it is also a fact that till today ,there are some titles that if you want to take in agbor , you must go to obazagbon nugu in edo to be given the sacred chalk before the dein of agbor will give you the titles, the reason is that the original settlers of that part of agbor came from obazagbon in benin.
4.  yes  there is igbo migration and culture in ika , but please dont igbonise ika people ,we are not benin too , but we are ika people.
5.  we have it on record that many ika kingdoms existed for more than a thousand years ;
1.  agbor existed for more than one thousand years , having been ruled by three dynasties of rulers , such as the 1. ogiso 2.  ogele 3.  obi/dein.  this last dein dynasty started around 12th or 13th century.  there was a recent discovery of a moat in agbonta that is over one thousand years old.
2.  owa kingdom was first inhabited by people from ikoha in ovia in benin around 6th century and later our first obi from ute-okpu came around 12th or 13th century .  and others too like that so ika existed for more than a thousand years according to our local histories and research ,and if many igbo people like to quote professor owunjeogwu as their reference , i have some books written by our obi in which he siad the owa came from nri in 13th century , and also from benin in 14th century and ika civilization of 4,000 years . 
3.  there are many people who believe the first capital of agbor called agbonta now but previously called ominijie was the foundation of many tribes in delta north region.
4.  on language like i  said many authorites belive that edo language was the original language of ika people , but as many igbos and others came igbo was also spoken and later an  amalgamation of both edo and igbo took place and this is still reflected in ika language and as time went on especially in the last 150 years ,and with the europeans coming more igbo influence was spread to ika land . but basically the culture and mind set of many ika is still not different from the bini mind set ,and as a young boy growing up , i was told that bini was the land of our ancestors.
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #581 on: August 05, 2012, 05:41:31 PM »
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #585 on: October 03, 2012, 04:29:20 PM »
I  want to ask Solomon-omojie to tell this forum how Anioma State can be realised  within the next 2 - 3 years, or before the end of President Good-luck Ebelemi Jonathan's Tenure.

Solomon if  Ika and Ndokwa people that think the way you do continue with this 'am not Igbo agenda, it may derail the creation of Anioma State.  Many Igbo groups have called for the creation of two Igbo States, one in the South East and the other in the South South. 

I want you to see that there is strength in numbers.  The way Delta State is comprised today, makes it difficult for an Anioma person to rule that State.  It will be foolhardy for my Anioma brothers to believe that the URHOBOS, ISOKOS, IJAWS and ITSHEKIRIS will concede power to the Aniomas.  The only realistic route for Aniomas to produce a Governor, will be when Anioma State is created.  The politics of dissension will not help the Anioma Project.

I Finally appeal to Solomon to understand that other groups in Delta State [Urhobos, Ijaws etc] stand to benefit from the disunity, balkanisation and Igbo phobia preached  by you and people who have the same mind set like you.

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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #586 on: November 02, 2012, 12:15:36 PM »
really a serious argument but what and how was Delta state formed is the question
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #587 on: November 05, 2012, 01:50:59 PM »
1.  i think the problem with anioma is the problem of people derailing the real motive and trying to use strong propaganda to derail people into believing all anioma is igbo and that is a lie .
2.  denis osadebey from Asaba said that anioma was founded to take care of minorities who cannot be clearly classified as part of any major tribes in nigeria, he said that anioma has ancestory of igbo, bini, ishan, igala, yoruba and others ,and that although igbo is widely spoken in the area. but he acknowledged these differences and if he wanted it to be igbo he would have said that , and many people cued into the anioma project , but long after his death and after the civil war -another propaganda began to make anioma igbo and that is why the house is divided as ika and others will resist attempts by others to impose igbo nationality on us.
3.  today in ika -two languages are spoken 1. ozarra and ika, ozara is purely edo language while ika is mix of igbo/edo, old yoruba is still spoken in uwunzun, ugbodu and others, igala is spoken in evbu and other areas , although igbo is still spoken in these area,but are you going to wrongfully make this people igbo ? because you are fighting a political battle ?the answer is no,
4.  delta north and anioma can be united if people are allowed to be who they are let ika be ika, the olukunmis and igala to be and then we can united for politics because we live in same region and have some shared culture and have intermarried.  this will make our aim to come true.
5.  as for creation of anioma state , it will be difficult and i dont see it coming now because democratic leaders dont create state in nigeria , and it is only military that does -the only civilian created state was midwest region.
6.  we can produce a governor in delta north or anioma ,if we dont bring out too many candidates,because once it is open anioma will have more than 30 people who want to be governor and other groups will bring out only 2 , and so they will win , let us identify an anioma politician with grassroot support and sell him to other tribes they will accept, as the isoko,uhrobo, ijaws and itsekiris do not hate us .  power is sweet so no one wants to loose power , and even the uhrobo fought against uduaghan becoming governor as he did not win in uhrobo areas ,but won in anioma and other areas , so all we need to do is play our politics right,.
7.  in delta state no single ethnic group can win without the others ,so we all need each other, before uduaghan came in senator okowa almost won the election at the PDP  primaries ,and ijaws,uhrobos and aniomas voted for him , but at the last minute ibori influenced his cousin uduaghan to win, so you can see that other factors also inflence politics apart from tribe.
8.  let us form alliance with other ethnicities in delta and we will be governor , there is an alliance between uhrobo and anioma let our leaders exploit it , and more over our languages might be different but in delta there are many words the anioma, uhrobo,isoko, itsekiri share together because of bini influence and some times too , we share same culture and we all were part of ancient bini empire so we are no strange bed fellows as some people always say.
9.  before the civil war -denis osadebey from asaba ruled old midwest, ogbemudia an ika(bini) from igbanke ruled midwest/bendel state, sam obi  from ika ruled delta for 3 months via court order that threw out uduaghan, and today anioma people are holding key and sensitive positions in delta state/nigeria-
1.  senator okowa  from ika former secretary to delta state govt/ senator and vice chairman on health.
2.   prince sam obi former speaker delta/acting governor delta state
3.  sam ebonka from ika -former deputy governor delta
4.  martins okonta-ika ,former speaker delta state.
5.  ochei is present speaker of delta state.
6.  dr . okunbor from ika  -chief of staff delta
7.  agbele from ika is accountant general delta state, and many others
8.  ngozi okonjo iweala is from ogwashi uku and she is the topmost minister in nigeria now.
so  let all these people pay attention to anioma area and bring development to our area instead of crying maginalization .
9.  let me even ask who is more maginalised in delta between isoko, ijaw and anioma ? and remember this is the first time an itsekiri is governor of delta state.
so what will isoko , ijaw say as they fell maginalised too ?
delta is a young state of about 20 years formerly ruled by military men so lets take it a little easy and build trust, love and oneness amongst various groups.
10.  i am an ika man that thinks the ika people have been favoured since ibori time till now , so it is left for our people in government to develop ika land and anioma area, instead of always blaming others and bringing up the usual conspiratory theory

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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #588 on: March 30, 2013, 09:35:26 AM »
The main watchword is 'UNITY'.
Does it mean that we don't have Deltans that are Ibos?
If we have, that means their origin is not supposed to be controversial.
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #589 on: April 16, 2013, 05:50:32 AM »
Mr Writer “UWUECHUE” in your History details here you made mention of “AKRI PEOPLE” and my question is: that name AKRI is it a person or what? Group of people or What? How did they came to the Land before the Aboh people?
You Write also they said they are from EDO any trace of that?  that means you are not sure, Again Mr Writer How Long did the Fight between Aboh and AKRI lasted? I thought in History you write what you are sure of.

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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #590 on: July 29, 2013, 10:35:49 AM »
Quote from: solomon-omojie link=topic=22509.  msg258873#msg258873 date=1262255895
   STILL ON  IKA HISTORY - .   
     1.     I STATE AGAIN THAT COMPARING AGBOR KINGDOM, WITH ANY OTHER KINGDOM EAST OF BENIN , IS A MODERN REVISIONIST TENDENCY , WHICH YOU ARE FREE TO  INDULGE IN.    BUT AS WE SAY IN JOURNALISM FACTS ARE SACRED AND TRUE ,WHILE OPINIONS CAN  BE  GENERATED WITH FEELINGS.   
2.     AGBOR AND AGBOR KINGS REMAIN,THE MOST REVERED IKA  MONARCHS IN IKA HISTORY AND THE  HISTORY  OF NIGERIA.   
3.     AGBOR KING OBI OBIKA IGBENOBA ,WAS THE KING THAT CHAMPIONED RESPECT FOR IKA AND  ANIOMA OBIS  IN THE  OLD WESTERN HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY IN IBADAN.    AND BASED  ON HISTORY AND CULTURAL STATISTICS , THE OBI OF AGBOR WAS MADE A MINISTER WITHOUT  PORTFOLIO ALONG WITH THE OLU OF WARRI AND OBA  OF BENIN.   

4.     IN THE MID-WESTERN HOUSE OF CHIEFS - THE OBA OF BENIN, OLU OF  ITSHEKIRI AND THE OBI OF AGBOR WERE THE THREE MOST PROMINENT KINGS, IN FACT OBA WAS FIRST,OLU -SECOND AND OBI OF AGBOR WAS THIRD .    (THIS WAS BASED  ON HISTORICAL,AND CULTURAL ANTECEDENTS .   
5.     AGBOR WAS THE GREATEST KINGDOM EAST OF BENIN EMPIRE, WITH A LARGE STANDING  ARMY ,AND HAD MANY TOWNS UNDER IT , FROM MANY TOWNS IN EDO AND DELTA ,
6.    AS AT LATE 17TH CENTURY AGBOR HAD SUCCESSFULY TAKEN  OVER THE TRADE ROUTES BEING USED BY BENIN IN THE AREAS  ALONG THE  RIVER NIGER TRADE ROUTE,THAT  WAS WHY THE OBA OVERANWEN  OF BENIN WANTED TO  DECLARE WAR ON AGBOR ,BEFORE BENIN FELL TO  BRITISH FIRE POWER .    THE OBA KNEW HE WAS GOING TO  FACE GREAT RESISTANCE  IN AGBOR , SO HE TRAINED AND MOVED 10,000.    00  TO OLOGBO NEAR AGBOR ,INORDER TO ATTACK .    .   
7.     LET ME RESTATE THAT IGBUDU-AKAN WAS ADMINISTERED AS  PART OF AGBOR KINGDOM IN ANCIENT TIMES,AND  CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THERE IS A POPULAR SAYING IN ANIOMA AREA THAT THE LONG LIFE OF THE OBI OF AGBOR IS THE LONG LIFE OF OBI OF IGBUDU ?THE ANSWER IS THAT WHEN THE OBI OF AGBOR DIED IN THE ANCIENT TIMES THE OBI OF  IGBUDU AKAN  WILL HAVE TO  DIE TOO.   
8.     I KNOW YOU WILL EVEN DENY NOW THAT THERE WAS A TIME , THE OBA OF BENIN USED TO CROWN THE KINGS OF MOST ANIOMA TOWNS, WELL THE RECORDS ARE THERE , IF YOU LIKE SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE , BUT THE RECORDS ARE THERE.   
9.     AGBOR AND OWA ,REPRESENT THE TWO BIGGEST IKA TOWNS AND  KINGDOM,AND THESE TWO PLACES REPRESENT THE HEART OF THE IKAN NATION,DO YOU KNOW THAT EVERY IKA MAN WILL FIRST TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE AGBOR PEOPLE ,BEFORE THEY TELL YOU THEIR VILLAGE OR TOWN ? DO YOU KNOW WHY , IT IS BECAUSE THE  AGBOR KINGDOM AND MONARCHY IS REGARDED BY IKAS AS THEIR HEADQUARTER .   
10.     WELL OWA PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN THAT THEY ARE IKA PEOPLE AND THAT  I THINK  IS WHAT  MATTERS.    AND THEY RECOGNISE THEIR DUAL HERITAGE  OF NRI AND BINI .   
11.     WHAT IS HAPENNING  IN IKA LAND AS A RESULT OF DUAL MIGRATION IS  NOT NEW , EXAMPLES ABOUND  IN OUR NEIGHBOURS,AS THE OROGUN KINGDOM IN THE HEART  OF UHROBO NATION IN DELTA STATE ALSO HAVE DUAL MIGRATION FRON UKWUANI PEOPLE AND UHROBOS AND  IN THIS TOWN SOME  OF THEM STILL SPEAK UKUANI AND UHROBO , BUT THEY ALL AGREE AND BELIEVE THEY ARE UHROBO PEOPLE .    SO ALSO IN AGBOR THE CLUSTER OF TOWNS THAT SPEAK OZARA , AN EDOIC LANGUAGE AND ARE PART OF AGBOR  KINGDOM ARE IKA PEOPLE.   
12.     THE UNIQUENESS OF THE AGBOR KINGDOM AND HER  PAST HAVE BEEN ULOGISED BY EUROPEANS AND EVEN BY NIGERIAN  GOVT ITSELF.     ULLI BIERE A GREAT GERMAN ANTHROPOLOGIST , WHO DID MUCH TO PRESENT AFRICAN HISTORY TO  THE WORLD ,SAYS THAT AGBOR IS A VERY ANCIENT TOWN WITH GREAT CULTURE, SOME YEARS A GO WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVT.    TOOK THE CLOTH OF TRADITIONAL RULERS FOR DISPLAY IN FRANCE ,THE CLOTH AND CROWN WORN BY THE OBI OF AGBOR  ON CORONATION DAY CALLED KPAPASIMAYA WAS ON DISPLAY .    IT ATTRACTED A LOT OF COMMENTS .    FURTHER MORE IF AGBOR WAS AN INSIGNIFIACANT KINGDOM , WHY DID IT ATTRACT SO MUCH ATTENTION FROM THE WORLD WHEN THE CURRENT KING  WAS CROWNED AT 2 AND HALF YEARS ? HE WAS RECORDED AS THE YOUNGEST MONARCH IN THE WORLD .   
13.     IN RECOGNITION OF THE ROLE OF THE AGBOR MONARCH AS A FIRST CLASS KING , led light .    GOVT.    MADE HIM THE PRO-CHANCELOR OF UNIVERSITY OF ILORIN , MAKING HIM THE YOUNGEST PERSON TO  ATTAIN SUCH POSITION IN  NIGERIA.   
14.     NO PROPER IKA PERSON FROM ANY OF THE ROYAL QUARTERS OR THAT CAN TRACE HIS HISTORY TO UP TO  300 YEARS  OR  MORE WILL DISREGARD THE OBI OF AGBOR OR AGBOR  KINGDOM IN IKALAND ,BECAUSE AGBOR REMAINS THE  MECCA OR THE IFE OF  IKA PEOPLE.    THAT  IS WHY ALL IKAS ADOPTED AGBOR TO  BE THE HEADQUARTERS OF IKA PEOPLE BY  SIGHTING  THE  IKA NATIONAL HALL THERE, EVEN THE GREAT OWA PEOPLE WHO HAVE A POPULATION AND POLITICAL  MIGHT TO RESIST ,AGREED BASED ON HISTORIC ANTICIDENTS  OF AGBOR .   

Post Merge: December 31, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
  STILL ON  IKA LAND
I.    LIKE I  SAID ANY INDIVIDUAL IS FREE TO  JOIN ANY  ORGANISATION THEY  LIKE BUT THE BULK  OR MAJORITY OF  IKA PEOPLE BELIEVE IN OGUA IKA AS THEIR  MOUTH PIECE , SUPPORTED BY ALL THE IKA KINGS AND IKA PEOPLE ARE  PEOPLE WHO RESPECT THEIR MONARCHS , SO WHERE EVER THEIR MONARCH  GOES IS WHERE THE  MAJORITY WILL GO ,AND  AS  OF KNOW  EVEN THE IGBODO KING IS STILL AN  ACTIVE  MEMBER OF OGUA IKA ,BECAUSE  HE ATTENDED THE  LAST MEETING HELD  IN UMUNEDE KINGDOM.   
2.    ALL THE  MOVERS AND SHAKERS IN  IKA LAND , BE  IT  IN BUSINESS , SPORTS , RELIGION AND POLITICS  BELONG AND SUBSCRIBE TO OGUA IKA AND BELIEVE THEY ARE IKA PEOPLE , SO  IF  WE HAVE A FEW DISENTING VOICES HERE AND THERE IT  IS STILL OK,BECAUSE IN ANY KEY DECISION THE  MAJORITY CARRIES THE DAY .   .  [/u]

Thanks for sharing this wonderful information.  .   I am just collecting knowledge about our past and the post was just perfect.  .   Thanks again
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #591 on: November 23, 2013, 08:27:57 PM »
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #592 on: January 16, 2014, 10:56:58 AM »
HELLO OGBUEFI,

Happy New Year.  It has been long we chatted.  I will appreciate if you can throw light on the origins of the 4 market days in Igboland and Edo kingdom.  Let me have your insight on who first used the 4 market days and who exported it to each other.  Thanks

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« Reply #593 on: July 24, 2014, 10:08:01 PM »
What a heated discussion
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Re: ORIGIN OF DELTA IGBO INDISPUTABLE - UWUECHUE
« Reply #594 on: May 30, 2015, 11:06:31 PM »
I am currently drawing up facts from these contributions. Thanks for your inputs.
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« Reply #595 on: May 08, 2017, 11:57:46 AM »
Since Anambra is closer to Delta and Edo we can draw a line to say that some Igbo elements will be found in those states
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